Odds-Weighted Rehearsal: How to Train for the Objections You Fear in Proportion to How Often They Happen

Updated

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

  1. Write down every anxiety about enrollments, retention, staff, and the facility on a whiteboard.
  2. Mark each one H, M, or L for how likely it is.
  3. For each H and M, write a two-sentence response and a script if it involves a customer conversation.
  4. For each L, write one line: who we call and what we do.
  5. Photograph the board, file it, and stop worrying.

The act of writing the response is what turns anxiety into a plan. A written plan is a relief. Unwritten worry is a tax on your attention.

A Four-Week Rollout

Week 1: Baseline. Pull ten recorded calls and ten enrollment conferences (observe or review). Score them. Write the Problem List.

Week 2: Core flow. Spend 70 percent of every training minute on the standard phone and conference flow. Role-play it in pairs, two minutes each, with feedback.

Week 3: Top objection and the no. Add a 20 percent block on the single most common objection and on graceful responses to a no.

Week 4: Rare events and review. Spend 10 percent on rare problems. Re-score ten calls. Compare to Week 1.

Keep it going monthly. Rehearsal is a habit, not a project.

Language Rules for Your Team

Because expectations shape experience, adopt these small rules:

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

  1. Did they get the caller’s name in the first 20 seconds?
  2. Did they ask at least three discovery questions?
  3. Did they invite the caller in with a specific choice of two times?
  4. Did they collect a phone number and confirm the appointment?

Most schools score one or two out of four. That score will tell you more about next month’s enrollments than any advertising report.

Mystery Shop Yourself

I once had a teenager in my own family call a number of schools and test them, including ours. I will not pretend the results were flattering. If you want an honest picture, have someone with no connection to your school call as a prospective parent or student, and then run the same test on your competitors. You will learn how you compare, and you will have a baseline to improve from.

The 70 Percent No

Now to the second half of the topic, which is the success rate itself.

We run training at our events on asking for a larger commitment, such as a prepaid enrollment. For many staff members, this is scary. The first thing I say is: our expectation is that it will not work most of the time. Eighty percent of the time, or at least more often than not, the answer will be no. And if you get a yes 20 percent of the time, that is a really good success rate. Maybe you get 25 or 30 percent. That would be a fantastic result.

The Math

Take a school that completes 20 enrollment conferences a month, with a 12-month Trial Enrollment at $375, which is $4,500 per student. Say you ask each family about prepaying the full term. If 25 percent say yes, that is 5 families a month. That is $22,500 of tuition committed up front, every month. If you decide the 75 percent rejection rate means the ask doesn’t work and stop asking, the number is zero.

Over a year, 5 prepaid families a month is 60 families. You would have received that cash and loyalty by tolerating 15 “no” answers for every 5 “yes” answers, and by not taking any of the no’s personally.

The Airplane Test

Imagine every time you got on a plane, you had a 70 percent chance of crashing. You would never fly again. That is the reasonable response to those odds in that setting, and it is exactly why people quit asking. Their mental model treats rejection like a crash.

But a “no” in a conference is not a crash. It costs nothing, it does not end the relationship, and the family usually still enrolls in the standard plan. The expected value of asking is positive, and the downside is essentially zero. The odds look horrible only when you use the wrong analogy.

So we need a different point of view: a 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is a good, normal result, and we train for it.

Training for the No

Here is what changes when you accept the odds. You can script the no. You can practice what you say when a family declines the prepay, so that the response is warm and automatic:

“Absolutely, that’s perfectly fine. Most families start with the monthly option, and you can switch anytime. Let’s get the paperwork for the monthly plan started.”

Staff who have rehearsed the no-answer do not flinch. They do not sulk. They do not skip the ask next time. And if you do not train for it, the opposite happens: they get afraid, they stop asking, and they tell themselves, “Nobody ever pays in full.” Every time they say that, they are right, because they never ask.

Pre-Planning Without Obsessing

Bad things will happen. Equipment will break, a lead source will slow down, a family will complain, a staff member will quit. Everything you can anticipate will happen at some point. The mistake is to over-obsess about those events beforehand, which ironically means you never train for them properly.

Martial arts gives us the model. If you learn to spar, you do not spend every session practicing the one-in-a-thousand situation. You train the fundamentals, then you train the most common attacks and counters, and then you drill a few of the dangerous but rare situations until they become automatic. The same logic applies to your business.

The Problem List

Do this once a quarter with your team:

  1. Write down every anxiety about enrollments, retention, staff, and the facility on a whiteboard.
  2. Mark each one H, M, or L for how likely it is.
  3. For each H and M, write a two-sentence response and a script if it involves a customer conversation.
  4. For each L, write one line: who we call and what we do.
  5. Photograph the board, file it, and stop worrying.

The act of writing the response is what turns anxiety into a plan. A written plan is a relief. Unwritten worry is a tax on your attention.

A Four-Week Rollout

Week 1: Baseline. Pull ten recorded calls and ten enrollment conferences (observe or review). Score them. Write the Problem List.

Week 2: Core flow. Spend 70 percent of every training minute on the standard phone and conference flow. Role-play it in pairs, two minutes each, with feedback.

Week 3: Top objection and the no. Add a 20 percent block on the single most common objection and on graceful responses to a no.

Week 4: Rare events and review. Spend 10 percent on rare problems. Re-score ten calls. Compare to Week 1.

Keep it going monthly. Rehearsal is a habit, not a project.

Language Rules for Your Team

Because expectations shape experience, adopt these small rules:

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

  • 70 percent of the time on the core flow, the conversation as it normally happens.
  • 20 percent on the most common objection or difficulty.
  • 10 percent on rare, dramatic problems.

This is the opposite of what happens naturally. The natural pattern is to spend most of the meeting role-playing the angriest parent or the toughest price objection, because those scenes are vivid and uncomfortable.

Applying It to the Phone

I’ll use the telephone because it is where this error shows up most clearly.

The Pattern I Hear Over and Over

When schools use lead services that record their calls, I can listen to the actual conversations. I will hear a call, and within 30 seconds I want to throw up, because it is so bad. I have not listened to a single batch where the calls were great. One hundred percent of the calls I hear are really bad, and I say that with no pleasure. Some of you are doing a great job, and I hope you are, but the phone is probably the biggest hole in most schools.

An owner will call me and say, “I had 42 leads last month and they were all junk.” I ask to listen to the calls. The leads were not junk. The owner or the front desk person answered the phone like a receptionist taking a message.

What Staff Worry About

When we dig in, the staff is usually terrified of one thing: someone asking about the price. So they train, over and over, on the price question. They rehearse a defensive answer. They write it on a card. They obsess about it.

But here is the fact most of them have not counted: the majority of people who call do not ask about price on the first call. Some do, and when they do it is no surprise, but it is a minority. The result of obsessing about the price question is that the other 70 percent of the call, the greeting, the questions, the rapport, the invitation to come in, is done sloppily.

The Right Way to Train

Train the phone script as if nobody is ever going to ask about price. Get the opening, the discovery questions, and the appointment request excellent. Rehearse it until it is smooth and warm. Then add the price answer as a short module. Practice it once or twice per session, not ten times. The price response should be a brief, confident answer that returns to the appointment, not a speech.

For example, the core flow:

“Thank you for calling [school], this is [name]. Can I start by getting your name? Wonderful, [name]. Who is the training for? How old? What made you start looking now? Great. The best next step is a 30-minute introductory lesson so [child] can try a class and we can see if it’s a fit. We have a spot Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15, which works better?”

And the short price module, used only if asked:

“Great question. Our programs start with a 12-month Trial Enrollment, which is how we make sure the program is a good fit for your child before anyone commits to the full black belt path. The tuition is $375 a month, and I’d love to show you exactly what’s included in person. Would Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15 work for the introductory lesson?”

Notice the pattern: answer once, honestly, then return to the appointment. No apology, no defensiveness, no discount.

The result is that the staff member who trained 70 percent on the core flow and 20 percent on the price answer handles both better than the staff member who trained 100 percent on price.

Listen to Your Own Calls

Here is a standing assignment. Pull ten recorded calls this week. If you do not record calls, start. Listen to every one. Score them against a four-point checklist:

  1. Did they get the caller’s name in the first 20 seconds?
  2. Did they ask at least three discovery questions?
  3. Did they invite the caller in with a specific choice of two times?
  4. Did they collect a phone number and confirm the appointment?

Most schools score one or two out of four. That score will tell you more about next month’s enrollments than any advertising report.

Mystery Shop Yourself

I once had a teenager in my own family call a number of schools and test them, including ours. I will not pretend the results were flattering. If you want an honest picture, have someone with no connection to your school call as a prospective parent or student, and then run the same test on your competitors. You will learn how you compare, and you will have a baseline to improve from.

The 70 Percent No

Now to the second half of the topic, which is the success rate itself.

We run training at our events on asking for a larger commitment, such as a prepaid enrollment. For many staff members, this is scary. The first thing I say is: our expectation is that it will not work most of the time. Eighty percent of the time, or at least more often than not, the answer will be no. And if you get a yes 20 percent of the time, that is a really good success rate. Maybe you get 25 or 30 percent. That would be a fantastic result.

The Math

Take a school that completes 20 enrollment conferences a month, with a 12-month Trial Enrollment at $375, which is $4,500 per student. Say you ask each family about prepaying the full term. If 25 percent say yes, that is 5 families a month. That is $22,500 of tuition committed up front, every month. If you decide the 75 percent rejection rate means the ask doesn’t work and stop asking, the number is zero.

Over a year, 5 prepaid families a month is 60 families. You would have received that cash and loyalty by tolerating 15 “no” answers for every 5 “yes” answers, and by not taking any of the no’s personally.

The Airplane Test

Imagine every time you got on a plane, you had a 70 percent chance of crashing. You would never fly again. That is the reasonable response to those odds in that setting, and it is exactly why people quit asking. Their mental model treats rejection like a crash.

But a “no” in a conference is not a crash. It costs nothing, it does not end the relationship, and the family usually still enrolls in the standard plan. The expected value of asking is positive, and the downside is essentially zero. The odds look horrible only when you use the wrong analogy.

So we need a different point of view: a 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is a good, normal result, and we train for it.

Training for the No

Here is what changes when you accept the odds. You can script the no. You can practice what you say when a family declines the prepay, so that the response is warm and automatic:

“Absolutely, that’s perfectly fine. Most families start with the monthly option, and you can switch anytime. Let’s get the paperwork for the monthly plan started.”

Staff who have rehearsed the no-answer do not flinch. They do not sulk. They do not skip the ask next time. And if you do not train for it, the opposite happens: they get afraid, they stop asking, and they tell themselves, “Nobody ever pays in full.” Every time they say that, they are right, because they never ask.

Pre-Planning Without Obsessing

Bad things will happen. Equipment will break, a lead source will slow down, a family will complain, a staff member will quit. Everything you can anticipate will happen at some point. The mistake is to over-obsess about those events beforehand, which ironically means you never train for them properly.

Martial arts gives us the model. If you learn to spar, you do not spend every session practicing the one-in-a-thousand situation. You train the fundamentals, then you train the most common attacks and counters, and then you drill a few of the dangerous but rare situations until they become automatic. The same logic applies to your business.

The Problem List

Do this once a quarter with your team:

  1. Write down every anxiety about enrollments, retention, staff, and the facility on a whiteboard.
  2. Mark each one H, M, or L for how likely it is.
  3. For each H and M, write a two-sentence response and a script if it involves a customer conversation.
  4. For each L, write one line: who we call and what we do.
  5. Photograph the board, file it, and stop worrying.

The act of writing the response is what turns anxiety into a plan. A written plan is a relief. Unwritten worry is a tax on your attention.

A Four-Week Rollout

Week 1: Baseline. Pull ten recorded calls and ten enrollment conferences (observe or review). Score them. Write the Problem List.

Week 2: Core flow. Spend 70 percent of every training minute on the standard phone and conference flow. Role-play it in pairs, two minutes each, with feedback.

Week 3: Top objection and the no. Add a 20 percent block on the single most common objection and on graceful responses to a no.

Week 4: Rare events and review. Spend 10 percent on rare problems. Re-score ten calls. Compare to Week 1.

Keep it going monthly. Rehearsal is a habit, not a project.

Language Rules for Your Team

Because expectations shape experience, adopt these small rules:

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

  1. List the worries. Write every anxiety on paper. Staff go through the same list separately.
  2. Estimate the odds. Next to each item, write how often it really happens, out of ten calls or conferences.
  3. Estimate the cost. How much does it cost when it goes badly: a lost enrollment ($4,500 in first-year tuition at $375 a month), an embarrassing moment, or nothing at all?
  4. Allocate rehearsal. Give most of the practice time to the high-odds items, a modest amount to the high-cost, moderate-odds items, and a sliver to the rare ones.

The Seventy-Twenty-Ten Split

A simple version for a weekly training session:

  • 70 percent of the time on the core flow, the conversation as it normally happens.
  • 20 percent on the most common objection or difficulty.
  • 10 percent on rare, dramatic problems.

This is the opposite of what happens naturally. The natural pattern is to spend most of the meeting role-playing the angriest parent or the toughest price objection, because those scenes are vivid and uncomfortable.

Applying It to the Phone

I’ll use the telephone because it is where this error shows up most clearly.

The Pattern I Hear Over and Over

When schools use lead services that record their calls, I can listen to the actual conversations. I will hear a call, and within 30 seconds I want to throw up, because it is so bad. I have not listened to a single batch where the calls were great. One hundred percent of the calls I hear are really bad, and I say that with no pleasure. Some of you are doing a great job, and I hope you are, but the phone is probably the biggest hole in most schools.

An owner will call me and say, “I had 42 leads last month and they were all junk.” I ask to listen to the calls. The leads were not junk. The owner or the front desk person answered the phone like a receptionist taking a message.

What Staff Worry About

When we dig in, the staff is usually terrified of one thing: someone asking about the price. So they train, over and over, on the price question. They rehearse a defensive answer. They write it on a card. They obsess about it.

But here is the fact most of them have not counted: the majority of people who call do not ask about price on the first call. Some do, and when they do it is no surprise, but it is a minority. The result of obsessing about the price question is that the other 70 percent of the call, the greeting, the questions, the rapport, the invitation to come in, is done sloppily.

The Right Way to Train

Train the phone script as if nobody is ever going to ask about price. Get the opening, the discovery questions, and the appointment request excellent. Rehearse it until it is smooth and warm. Then add the price answer as a short module. Practice it once or twice per session, not ten times. The price response should be a brief, confident answer that returns to the appointment, not a speech.

For example, the core flow:

“Thank you for calling [school], this is [name]. Can I start by getting your name? Wonderful, [name]. Who is the training for? How old? What made you start looking now? Great. The best next step is a 30-minute introductory lesson so [child] can try a class and we can see if it’s a fit. We have a spot Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15, which works better?”

And the short price module, used only if asked:

“Great question. Our programs start with a 12-month Trial Enrollment, which is how we make sure the program is a good fit for your child before anyone commits to the full black belt path. The tuition is $375 a month, and I’d love to show you exactly what’s included in person. Would Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15 work for the introductory lesson?”

Notice the pattern: answer once, honestly, then return to the appointment. No apology, no defensiveness, no discount.

The result is that the staff member who trained 70 percent on the core flow and 20 percent on the price answer handles both better than the staff member who trained 100 percent on price.

Listen to Your Own Calls

Here is a standing assignment. Pull ten recorded calls this week. If you do not record calls, start. Listen to every one. Score them against a four-point checklist:

  1. Did they get the caller’s name in the first 20 seconds?
  2. Did they ask at least three discovery questions?
  3. Did they invite the caller in with a specific choice of two times?
  4. Did they collect a phone number and confirm the appointment?

Most schools score one or two out of four. That score will tell you more about next month’s enrollments than any advertising report.

Mystery Shop Yourself

I once had a teenager in my own family call a number of schools and test them, including ours. I will not pretend the results were flattering. If you want an honest picture, have someone with no connection to your school call as a prospective parent or student, and then run the same test on your competitors. You will learn how you compare, and you will have a baseline to improve from.

The 70 Percent No

Now to the second half of the topic, which is the success rate itself.

We run training at our events on asking for a larger commitment, such as a prepaid enrollment. For many staff members, this is scary. The first thing I say is: our expectation is that it will not work most of the time. Eighty percent of the time, or at least more often than not, the answer will be no. And if you get a yes 20 percent of the time, that is a really good success rate. Maybe you get 25 or 30 percent. That would be a fantastic result.

The Math

Take a school that completes 20 enrollment conferences a month, with a 12-month Trial Enrollment at $375, which is $4,500 per student. Say you ask each family about prepaying the full term. If 25 percent say yes, that is 5 families a month. That is $22,500 of tuition committed up front, every month. If you decide the 75 percent rejection rate means the ask doesn’t work and stop asking, the number is zero.

Over a year, 5 prepaid families a month is 60 families. You would have received that cash and loyalty by tolerating 15 “no” answers for every 5 “yes” answers, and by not taking any of the no’s personally.

The Airplane Test

Imagine every time you got on a plane, you had a 70 percent chance of crashing. You would never fly again. That is the reasonable response to those odds in that setting, and it is exactly why people quit asking. Their mental model treats rejection like a crash.

But a “no” in a conference is not a crash. It costs nothing, it does not end the relationship, and the family usually still enrolls in the standard plan. The expected value of asking is positive, and the downside is essentially zero. The odds look horrible only when you use the wrong analogy.

So we need a different point of view: a 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is a good, normal result, and we train for it.

Training for the No

Here is what changes when you accept the odds. You can script the no. You can practice what you say when a family declines the prepay, so that the response is warm and automatic:

“Absolutely, that’s perfectly fine. Most families start with the monthly option, and you can switch anytime. Let’s get the paperwork for the monthly plan started.”

Staff who have rehearsed the no-answer do not flinch. They do not sulk. They do not skip the ask next time. And if you do not train for it, the opposite happens: they get afraid, they stop asking, and they tell themselves, “Nobody ever pays in full.” Every time they say that, they are right, because they never ask.

Pre-Planning Without Obsessing

Bad things will happen. Equipment will break, a lead source will slow down, a family will complain, a staff member will quit. Everything you can anticipate will happen at some point. The mistake is to over-obsess about those events beforehand, which ironically means you never train for them properly.

Martial arts gives us the model. If you learn to spar, you do not spend every session practicing the one-in-a-thousand situation. You train the fundamentals, then you train the most common attacks and counters, and then you drill a few of the dangerous but rare situations until they become automatic. The same logic applies to your business.

The Problem List

Do this once a quarter with your team:

  1. Write down every anxiety about enrollments, retention, staff, and the facility on a whiteboard.
  2. Mark each one H, M, or L for how likely it is.
  3. For each H and M, write a two-sentence response and a script if it involves a customer conversation.
  4. For each L, write one line: who we call and what we do.
  5. Photograph the board, file it, and stop worrying.

The act of writing the response is what turns anxiety into a plan. A written plan is a relief. Unwritten worry is a tax on your attention.

A Four-Week Rollout

Week 1: Baseline. Pull ten recorded calls and ten enrollment conferences (observe or review). Score them. Write the Problem List.

Week 2: Core flow. Spend 70 percent of every training minute on the standard phone and conference flow. Role-play it in pairs, two minutes each, with feedback.

Week 3: Top objection and the no. Add a 20 percent block on the single most common objection and on graceful responses to a no.

Week 4: Rare events and review. Spend 10 percent on rare problems. Re-score ten calls. Compare to Week 1.

Keep it going monthly. Rehearsal is a habit, not a project.

Language Rules for Your Team

Because expectations shape experience, adopt these small rules:

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

Train in proportion to the odds, not the fear. Spend most rehearsal time on the common path, a caller who never asks about price, a smaller share on the objection you dread, and almost none on rare disasters. Expect a 20 to 30 percent success rate on hard asks, plan for the 70 percent no, and never quit.

There is a strange pattern I see in nearly every school I coach. The thing the owner is most afraid of, the objection that keeps them awake, gets the most attention in training, and the ordinary, everyday conversation that actually produces enrollments gets almost none. The result is a staff that handles the feared moment awkwardly and the normal moment poorly. This article gives you a method, Odds-Weighted Rehearsal, for allocating practice time where it earns money, and it explains why a 70 percent rejection rate is not failure but the price of admission.

Expectation Shapes Experience

Let me start with a story about football. I was watching a game with a player who had a rough season. He kept having bad experiences, and then, in a particular game, he made a really good tackle early. After that early success, he played well for the rest of the game. When a person has had a string of bad experiences, they walk onto the field expecting bad things, and that expectation changes their performance. That is just human nature.

We have to be better than that, and it starts with how we talk. I am picky about language in my own organization. When one of my staff says, “I know we’re going to have some problems with this,” I do not nod. I point out that they have just announced their expectation. You said the answer was problems, so you will find problems. If your front desk team says before every enrollment conference, “They’re going to say it’s too expensive,” they will hear it at every conference, and they will deliver the presentation in a way that invites it.

The fix is not blind positivity. It is planned preparation, which brings us to the method.

Odds-Weighted Rehearsal

Odds-Weighted Rehearsal rests on one principle: allocate practice time in proportion to how likely a situation is and how much it costs you when it goes wrong. Fear is not a variable in the formula.

It has four steps.

  1. List the worries. Write every anxiety on paper. Staff go through the same list separately.
  2. Estimate the odds. Next to each item, write how often it really happens, out of ten calls or conferences.
  3. Estimate the cost. How much does it cost when it goes badly: a lost enrollment ($4,500 in first-year tuition at $375 a month), an embarrassing moment, or nothing at all?
  4. Allocate rehearsal. Give most of the practice time to the high-odds items, a modest amount to the high-cost, moderate-odds items, and a sliver to the rare ones.

The Seventy-Twenty-Ten Split

A simple version for a weekly training session:

  • 70 percent of the time on the core flow, the conversation as it normally happens.
  • 20 percent on the most common objection or difficulty.
  • 10 percent on rare, dramatic problems.

This is the opposite of what happens naturally. The natural pattern is to spend most of the meeting role-playing the angriest parent or the toughest price objection, because those scenes are vivid and uncomfortable.

Applying It to the Phone

I’ll use the telephone because it is where this error shows up most clearly.

The Pattern I Hear Over and Over

When schools use lead services that record their calls, I can listen to the actual conversations. I will hear a call, and within 30 seconds I want to throw up, because it is so bad. I have not listened to a single batch where the calls were great. One hundred percent of the calls I hear are really bad, and I say that with no pleasure. Some of you are doing a great job, and I hope you are, but the phone is probably the biggest hole in most schools.

An owner will call me and say, “I had 42 leads last month and they were all junk.” I ask to listen to the calls. The leads were not junk. The owner or the front desk person answered the phone like a receptionist taking a message.

What Staff Worry About

When we dig in, the staff is usually terrified of one thing: someone asking about the price. So they train, over and over, on the price question. They rehearse a defensive answer. They write it on a card. They obsess about it.

But here is the fact most of them have not counted: the majority of people who call do not ask about price on the first call. Some do, and when they do it is no surprise, but it is a minority. The result of obsessing about the price question is that the other 70 percent of the call, the greeting, the questions, the rapport, the invitation to come in, is done sloppily.

The Right Way to Train

Train the phone script as if nobody is ever going to ask about price. Get the opening, the discovery questions, and the appointment request excellent. Rehearse it until it is smooth and warm. Then add the price answer as a short module. Practice it once or twice per session, not ten times. The price response should be a brief, confident answer that returns to the appointment, not a speech.

For example, the core flow:

“Thank you for calling [school], this is [name]. Can I start by getting your name? Wonderful, [name]. Who is the training for? How old? What made you start looking now? Great. The best next step is a 30-minute introductory lesson so [child] can try a class and we can see if it’s a fit. We have a spot Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15, which works better?”

And the short price module, used only if asked:

“Great question. Our programs start with a 12-month Trial Enrollment, which is how we make sure the program is a good fit for your child before anyone commits to the full black belt path. The tuition is $375 a month, and I’d love to show you exactly what’s included in person. Would Tuesday at 4:30 or Thursday at 5:15 work for the introductory lesson?”

Notice the pattern: answer once, honestly, then return to the appointment. No apology, no defensiveness, no discount.

The result is that the staff member who trained 70 percent on the core flow and 20 percent on the price answer handles both better than the staff member who trained 100 percent on price.

Listen to Your Own Calls

Here is a standing assignment. Pull ten recorded calls this week. If you do not record calls, start. Listen to every one. Score them against a four-point checklist:

  1. Did they get the caller’s name in the first 20 seconds?
  2. Did they ask at least three discovery questions?
  3. Did they invite the caller in with a specific choice of two times?
  4. Did they collect a phone number and confirm the appointment?

Most schools score one or two out of four. That score will tell you more about next month’s enrollments than any advertising report.

Mystery Shop Yourself

I once had a teenager in my own family call a number of schools and test them, including ours. I will not pretend the results were flattering. If you want an honest picture, have someone with no connection to your school call as a prospective parent or student, and then run the same test on your competitors. You will learn how you compare, and you will have a baseline to improve from.

The 70 Percent No

Now to the second half of the topic, which is the success rate itself.

We run training at our events on asking for a larger commitment, such as a prepaid enrollment. For many staff members, this is scary. The first thing I say is: our expectation is that it will not work most of the time. Eighty percent of the time, or at least more often than not, the answer will be no. And if you get a yes 20 percent of the time, that is a really good success rate. Maybe you get 25 or 30 percent. That would be a fantastic result.

The Math

Take a school that completes 20 enrollment conferences a month, with a 12-month Trial Enrollment at $375, which is $4,500 per student. Say you ask each family about prepaying the full term. If 25 percent say yes, that is 5 families a month. That is $22,500 of tuition committed up front, every month. If you decide the 75 percent rejection rate means the ask doesn’t work and stop asking, the number is zero.

Over a year, 5 prepaid families a month is 60 families. You would have received that cash and loyalty by tolerating 15 “no” answers for every 5 “yes” answers, and by not taking any of the no’s personally.

The Airplane Test

Imagine every time you got on a plane, you had a 70 percent chance of crashing. You would never fly again. That is the reasonable response to those odds in that setting, and it is exactly why people quit asking. Their mental model treats rejection like a crash.

But a “no” in a conference is not a crash. It costs nothing, it does not end the relationship, and the family usually still enrolls in the standard plan. The expected value of asking is positive, and the downside is essentially zero. The odds look horrible only when you use the wrong analogy.

So we need a different point of view: a 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is a good, normal result, and we train for it.

Training for the No

Here is what changes when you accept the odds. You can script the no. You can practice what you say when a family declines the prepay, so that the response is warm and automatic:

“Absolutely, that’s perfectly fine. Most families start with the monthly option, and you can switch anytime. Let’s get the paperwork for the monthly plan started.”

Staff who have rehearsed the no-answer do not flinch. They do not sulk. They do not skip the ask next time. And if you do not train for it, the opposite happens: they get afraid, they stop asking, and they tell themselves, “Nobody ever pays in full.” Every time they say that, they are right, because they never ask.

Pre-Planning Without Obsessing

Bad things will happen. Equipment will break, a lead source will slow down, a family will complain, a staff member will quit. Everything you can anticipate will happen at some point. The mistake is to over-obsess about those events beforehand, which ironically means you never train for them properly.

Martial arts gives us the model. If you learn to spar, you do not spend every session practicing the one-in-a-thousand situation. You train the fundamentals, then you train the most common attacks and counters, and then you drill a few of the dangerous but rare situations until they become automatic. The same logic applies to your business.

The Problem List

Do this once a quarter with your team:

  1. Write down every anxiety about enrollments, retention, staff, and the facility on a whiteboard.
  2. Mark each one H, M, or L for how likely it is.
  3. For each H and M, write a two-sentence response and a script if it involves a customer conversation.
  4. For each L, write one line: who we call and what we do.
  5. Photograph the board, file it, and stop worrying.

The act of writing the response is what turns anxiety into a plan. A written plan is a relief. Unwritten worry is a tax on your attention.

A Four-Week Rollout

Week 1: Baseline. Pull ten recorded calls and ten enrollment conferences (observe or review). Score them. Write the Problem List.

Week 2: Core flow. Spend 70 percent of every training minute on the standard phone and conference flow. Role-play it in pairs, two minutes each, with feedback.

Week 3: Top objection and the no. Add a 20 percent block on the single most common objection and on graceful responses to a no.

Week 4: Rare events and review. Spend 10 percent on rare problems. Re-score ten calls. Compare to Week 1.

Keep it going monthly. Rehearsal is a habit, not a project.

Language Rules for Your Team

Because expectations shape experience, adopt these small rules:

  • Replace “problems” with “situations.” “We may have a situation with X; here’s the plan.”
  • Replace “if we get” with “when we get.” “When a parent asks about price, here’s what we say.”
  • Report rates, not feelings. “We got 3 of 12 prepays” beats “that didn’t work.”
  • Celebrate the ask. Praise the number of asks made, not only the number accepted.

Common Mistakes

  • Training on the scariest scenario only. It starves the common path.
  • Quitting after a streak of no’s. A 25 percent success rate produces long dry stretches; plan for them.
  • Expecting 100 percent. No script closes everyone. If it did, you’d be charging too little.
  • Never recording calls. You cannot improve what you cannot hear.
  • Defensive price answers. Answer once, briefly, and return to the appointment.

This Week

  • Pull ten recorded calls and score them on the four-point checklist.
  • Write your Problem List and mark H, M, or L.
  • Rehearse the core phone flow for 15 minutes with each team member.
  • Add the short price module and practice it twice.
  • Track the number of times you ask for a prepay and the number of yeses.

If you want to improve the numbers behind these conversations, the sales hub goes deeper on enrollment conferences and objections. For the phone leads that feed them, see our marketing hub, and for the pricing that makes the ask worthwhile, see our pricing hub.

Frequently Asked Questions

What success rate should I expect when asking for a larger commitment?

Expect around 20 to 30 percent. A 70 percent rejection rate on an optional upgrade is normal, not failure. At 20 enrollment conferences a month and a 25 percent yes rate, you get five prepaid families a month, which is real money, but only if you keep asking.

How should I train my staff for price objections?

Train in proportion to the odds. Most callers never ask about price on the first call, so spend about 70 percent of practice on the core flow, 20 percent on the common objection, and 10 percent on rare problems. Keep the price answer short, honest, and aimed back at the appointment.

Why do my leads seem like junk?

Often the leads are fine and the phone handling is weak. Listen to your recorded calls. If staff answer like a message-taking service, skip discovery questions, and do not offer two specific appointment times, conversion will be poor regardless of lead quality. Score ten calls this week to find out.

Take the Next Step

Book your free Personal Evaluation, a $1,297 value. We will listen to your process, find where the odds are working against you, and build a rehearsal plan that fits your team. Claim your free consultation here.

Free book: Get “Six Simple Steps to Add 100 Students” at FillYourSchool.com and give your phone team more of the right calls to practice on.

About the Author

Stephen Oliver, MBA and 10th Degree Black Belt, is the Founder and CEO of Mile High Karate and Martial Arts Wealth Mastery, CEO of NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists), and Publisher of Martial Arts Professional magazine. A martial arts school owner since 1975, he and his coaching team, including Grand Master Jeff Smith and Dr. Greg Moody, have helped owners build $1M+ schools.

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